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Suite à des accusations de favoritismes portées à l'encontre de Mistpedia concernant l'équipe Team MIST (Cf. par exemple ce topic) durant les phases de qualifications européenne pour le 2e Tournoi des légendes de GW2, le co-fondateur de Mispedia a tenu à s'exprimer via une tribune publique.
Hey all, Sireph from Mistpedia here,
Mistpedia formed in 2013 with a focus on providing a platform for the Guild Wars 2 community to compete, grow, and have fun together. When Blu, Kenigmatic and I first put together the plans to form an organization to promote the scene, we made it our mission to serve the PvP community and its needs. One of those needs today, unfortunately, is to address the issue of recent accusations of favoritism and bracket fixing by Mistpedia in Tournament of Legends 2’s EU finals towards the most recent addition to our organization’s family, Team MIST.
Mistpedia first approached the team then known as The Civilized Gentlemen because we felt it was a great opportunity to work with a consistent group of people who were willing to put in as much work into perfecting their gameplay as we were with putting out tournaments and events. Both sides decided this would be the best course of action and Team MIST was created. To us, this team was not only a group of strong and talented players but ambassadors to Guild Wars 2. They are personalities that we felt, if given enough support, could inspire more people to play and that could only benefit the scene. The players would help us grow the Guild Wars 2 scene through entertaining livestreams and content that. We still feel this way.
Today players have accused us of changing seeding into the Tournament of Legends 2 EU Finals for “no apparent reason”. The issues of Conflicts of Interest (CoIs) have been brought up as well, and these are not topics that we take lightly. To answer any questions about CoIs first, we looked to the examples of established eSports organizations in other games for the best way to conduct ourselves. We maintain that it is possible to host large events as a team organization. Examples of this in StarCraft 2 are prevalent in Team Liquid’s TSLs and Evil Geniuses Master’s Cups, both events that netted players thousands of dollars and had players from the hosting teams competing in them. We have realized, however, that our community may not be ready for an organization like that. At the end of the day Mistpedia is here to serve the Guild Wars 2 Community’s best interests. So it is with a heavy heart that I announce that Mistpedia and Team MIST are parting ways. This is clearly not the outcome we wanted but splitting the organizations seems to be the best course of action at this time.
To address the other accusation, that of bracket fixing. Some players believe that the seed of Cheese Mode was changed without reason, giving Team MIST an unfair advantage going into the finals. The original post assumes that Cheese Mode was to get the fourth seed and this assumption is just flat out incorrect. The way we were seeding teams was never disclosed to the public until Cheese Mode approached us. It was explained that due to their great performances in ESL Weekly Cups, their seed was decided to be 2nd. I spoke to our head admin, Olrun, and he explains it far better than I can:“The main goal of bracket seeding is to make sure teams place where they deserve. In an eight team bracket, you want the top 4 to win their first match, the top 2 to win their second match, and the best team to win. In the past, tournaments were seeded based purely on observation. The community has almost unanimously agreed that the leaderboards were inaccurate. However, in the Tournament of Legends 2, we decided to try something different. We used the peak leaderboard rating achieved by the players to give us a baseline and made minor alterations to that. The reasoning behind the alterations was that the peak leaderboard rating method didn't seem accurate at the extremes. On the lower end, this was irrelevant because they were all grouped in the bottom 16 of each bracket. However, on the high end, the inaccuracy was relevant. For that reason, we made changes based on team performance.
In regards to the finals brackets, Team Mist won the first Tournament of Legends. It would take significant proof to unseat them as 1st seed, and I can't say that we've seen that. However, the point of brackets is not to screw over one team or another. Cheese Mode does not dispute that they deserve a seed higher than 4th.
However, this is not to say that we don't acknowledge the COI in these situations. That is why we've decided to implement a publicly accessible ELO system. Future MP tournaments will be seeded with this ELO system. More about it will be released soon, but rest assured that we do acknowledge the issue.” - Olrun
I spoke with players today about the peak leaderboard rating system and it is clear that many if not most players do not like it. Since that’s the case, we’re getting rid of it and have been planning to for a while. Olrun said that we would release more info on the new rating system soon but I’m going to give it to you now.
Click the following link to read about the rating system we will use in the future:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Y29 … 0U2aE/editSo what happens now?
Effective immediately, Team Mist and Mistpedia are parting ways. We still believe in the massive potential of the squad and wish them the very best. They have a pedigree of working with established competitive organizations already and we hope that in the future they will continue to play at and exceed the level they are now.
More transparency across the board.
We want you all to feel more involved in the competitive community. We want you to feel listened to. As such we are implementing the new ELO System. Updates from the Mistpedia crew will be more frequent and we will actively seek feedback from top teams.
We want to hear your feedback so please let us know what you think!
You can email events@mistpedia.net for event specific topics or rule related issues.
Reach the crew on twitter @Mistpedia or on facebook.com/Mistpedia
My personal email is always open. You can email will@mistpedia.net any concern and I’ll do my best to get back to you as soon as possible.Finally we are going to impose the following rule on ourselves:
All Mistpedia Staff are prohibited from participating in Mistpedia tournaments outside of weekly cups.Again, we started Mistpedia to give the community more room and tools to grow. This is a game and scene that we love dearly. We have supported it through thick and thin and will continue to do so. If you’ve got any questions, comments, flames, or otherwise, my inbox is open for you.
-Will ‘Sireph’ Abreu
Co-Founder, Mistpedia
En résumé, et en raison du conflit d'intérêt existant (Mistepdia étant la structure organisant le Tournoi des légendes et Team MIST étant l'équipe de Mistepedia) à compter d'aujourd'hui :
L'équipe MIST et Mistpedia se séparent
Un nouveau système ELO est en phase d'être implémenté
Le personnel de Mistpedia se voit interdire de participer à des tournois Mistpedia en dehors des weekly cups
Dernière modification par Neph (20-08-2014 18:29:27)
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Non mais ça c'est sur et tout le monde doit le savoir d'ailleurs c'était pareil au premier ToL
Même si nous aussi on faisait partie des équipes favorites on a constaté ce "trucage" dans le bracket.
Le problème avec ce pvp c'est qu'il est plus considéré comme un show qu'une vraie compétition.
Chaque grosse équipe est répartie dans différentes poules pour faire en sorte qu'elles ne se rencontrent pas aux premières phases de qualifications ou premières phases du tournoi, pour ensuite se qualifier et ainsi se rencontrer durant les dernières phases pour offrir un énorme show en fin de tournoi.
Les shoutcasters et surtout Blu ne méritent vraiment pas de faire les brackets comme ils le font, et surtout de participer aux évenements comme à la gamescom, ça sert à rien je trouve de dire qu'on est actif sur un pvp en tant que shoutcaster si on fonctionne de cette façon.
Durant le 1er tol j'ai vu que les To avaient eu une double déco contre les TCG et dans le chat tout le monde et sans exception étaient pour un rematch sachant que c'était en tout début de partie, mais c'était sur qu'ils allaient gagné personne se voilait la face donc Blu a décidé de ne pas rematch mais c'est quand même pas du tout fair play.
Pareil dans un ESL, la team eX menait contre les 55hp de 300 points à la fin de partie, ils allaient gagné et les 55 ont eu une déco de même pas 10 sec, ce qui n'allait pas changer le résultat du match, et pourtant ils ont fait un caprice pour rematch sinon ils allaient pas participer aux autres ESL, donc Blu a décidé de faire un rematch.
La encore c'est pas fair play, et c'est vraiment plus un show qu'un vrai 5v5 compétitif loyal, si la team qui participe a tous les ESL et qui est l'une des meilleures EU fait un caprice, il faut le satisfaire sinon c'est fini, c'est juste n'importe quoi.
Et ça c'est pareil avec toutes les grosses teams EU qui sont en tête depuis un certains temps comme les TCG, car crash, cheese mode et 55.
Une raison de plus qui ne donne vraiment pas envie de continuer dans un pvp comme celui ci x)
Otist Team [To]
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Connaissant ton implication dans ce domaine et les résultats en PvP compétitif de ton équipe, je pense que tu es la personne la plus à même ici de nous donner le meilleur éclairage sur les coulisses du eSport de GW2.
Tes commentaires et exemples concrets sont très intéressants et révèlent effectivement quelques réels problèmes.
Merci à toi pour ces précisions et ton ressenti sur la question.
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Je me demande VRAIMENT pourquoi ils n'ont pas adapté le PvP de GW1 à la sauce GW2 tout simplement en fait,je pense qu'ils voulaient pas financer 10 000$ de tournoi par mois comme sur le premier
ichisumeragi@gw2shop.net
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Chaque grosse équipe est répartie dans différentes poules pour faire en sorte qu'elles ne se rencontrent pas aux premières phases de qualifications ou premières phases du tournoi, pour ensuite se qualifier et ainsi se rencontrer durant les dernières phases pour offrir un énorme show en fin de tournoi.
Sa c'est normal, dans un tournoi tu as toujours des têtes de séries, t'aura jamais un Nadal/Federer au 1er tour d'un tournoi.
Pour le reste de tes propos, ça pose effectivement problème que les règles ne soient pas établis/appliqué? et soit à la "tête du client"
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Parole aux "accusés".
Pour voir et entendre la réaction de Lord Helseth sur cette affaires et ses conséquences, je vous renvoie à cette "news" :
http://www.gw2shop.net/message-39237#p39237
Dernière modification par Neph (21-08-2014 12:18:31)
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